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The Edifying Conscience



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deb wrote:
I know in the past, I totally supported a forum that says they test everything and that EVERYTHING is CC'd. At first, you read these things and you get very scared. Many of us get so sick when even a tiny bit of CC comes into our lives, so it's very easy to sway us. I now realize,many of those people live in denial of that fact that a majority of us/them do have other intolerance's and it's not all about gluten, yet they MUST blame everything on gluten.


It's funny that you should say that. It's a shame that IMO this forum still hasn't fully recovered from the uproar regarding this issue and now you have changed your stance to not 'totally' support the forum in question.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just like to state, especially for those just starting the diet, that eliminating grains from the gluten-free diet is not something that all, many, most, some celiacs need to do. In addition, I haven't had any issues with the BRM products and purchase only their line of flours. My yearly antibody tests have always been in the safe/normal range.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what many people might be missing here is that ALL grains contain phytates which humans have not really evolved to process. Most humans do not process gluten properly either, but if you are having problems with non-gluten grains you are probably reacting to phytates. Basically, humans are not really meant to digest grains, though some people seem to be able to get away with it. Rice is probably the least offensive grain if you must eat grains. The problem with subbing legumes like chickpeas, soy, etc, is that these contain lectins, another problem for digestion. So, as they say, your mileage may vary. I have found it is a lot easier to avoid gluten if you avoid all grains in general and I feel much better overall.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am one of those for whom grains lost their appeal and my ability to stomach after over a year GF. I'm sure there are lots of elements in play, as I also can't handle legumes or several other food groups in any quantity, but for the sake of variety, will eat these in limited quantities when I feel like my gut is in good shape. True, the majority of GF folks do fine with non-gluten (as we know them) grains. I am sadly not one of them. Instead of constantly suspecting cross-contamination I had blood testing done and follow my gut when making food choices.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's funny that you should say that. It's a shame that IMO this forum still hasn't fully recovered from the uproar regarding this issue and now you have changed your stance to not 'totally' support the forum in question.


You are speaking of a totally different issue, which has nothing to do with eating grains. I'm sorry you feel I was the only problem in that discussion, because that is very far from the truth! I adamantly believe I was glutened by the apple cider vinegar, and if you choose to not believe it, that's fine, it's your right. The forum we are speaking of finds gluten in honey, salt, sugar, milk, apples, pears, blueberries, tomatoes, meat, you name it, they say gluten is there. That's what isn't realistic, but it is realistic to find gluten in vinegar. For that matter, there is a lot of discussion on the net about the safety of vinegar.

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I think what many people might be missing here is that ALL grains contain phytates which humans have not really evolved to process. Most humans do not process gluten properly either, but if you are having problems with non-gluten grains you are probably reacting to phytates


This could be true, who knows. I know it's true that we were never intended to eat grains..I also read that we were never intended to drink milk. At first, it was used to make glue. We are the only creatures on earth that drink milk past the baby stage in life. It's no wonder our bodies retaliate against us when we are feeding them products they know they should not have.

We are not a small minority of people those of us who can't eat grains. More and more are figuring this fact out every day. I work for an optometrist and I talk with lots of people every week, and gluten has become a very well known subject out there. People are asking questions, I find it a good thing. I explain to them about my issues with grain, yet I also tell them about celiacs and gluten intolerants whom are only gluten free and do great.
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Estaphania



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The study of the contamination of naturally gluten free grains was done by Tricia Thompson.

http://www.glutenfreedietitian.com/newsletter/contamination-of-naturally-guten-free-grains/

http://www.glutenfreedietitian.com/newsletter/contamination-of-naturally-gluten-free-grains-part-2/

I hope those links work.

I haven't heard "horror stories" about any gluten free product, with the exception of that guy who sold regular bread as gluten free at state fairs and such.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Edifying Conscience wrote:
Deb wrote:
I know in the past, I totally supported a forum that says they test everything and that EVERYTHING is CC'd. At first, you read these things and you get very scared. Many of us get so sick when even a tiny bit of CC comes into our lives, so it's very easy to sway us. I now realize,many of those people live in denial of that fact that a majority of us/them do have other intolerance's and it's not all about gluten, yet they MUST blame everything on gluten.


It's funny that you should say that. It's a shame that IMO this forum still hasn't fully recovered from the uproar regarding this issue and now you have changed your stance to not 'totally' support the forum in question.

I will agree about the recovery and reversal. My comments will be limited so I don't add fuel or spark to a latent situation. If things do get out of hand, I will take corrective action. I trust that previous tensions at the other forum will not spill over to this one.
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Estaphania



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smalltownslackermom wrote:
I do think it is important for other celiacs and gluten-sensitives to hear from people like Deb and I so that they might take stock of their possible reactions too if they wish. It may help them in healing up.
I'm not really on board with the idea of labelling things "gluten-lite" but just that part of our education as celiacs should be that 20ppm doesn't mean "absolutely 100% gluten-free" and that individual mileage may vary.


I agree. I am one that can't eat many processed foods. I see no reason to get confrontational about it. I would just like to see a general awareness so that others like us can know what to try to get healthier.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that we, the individuals who are, or are becoming food-aware *for whatever reasons* should consider ourselves ambassadors in the education of the populace (our friends, families, the greater public if we are in a position to do so via our vocations or avocations) in all things food-related. The food revolution is underway, and by sharing our experiences with others, we can help effect change in the SAD and how people understand and use food, the effects it can have on our health, individually and in the general population.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nancw wrote:
I think that we, the individuals who are, or are becoming food-aware *for whatever reasons* should consider ourselves ambassadors in the education of the poplulace (our friends, families, the greater public if we are in a position to do so via our vocations or avocations) in all things food-related. The food revolution is underway, and by sharing our experiences with others, we can help effect change in the SAD and how people understand and use food, the effects it can have on our health, individually and in the general population.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nancw wrote:
I think that we, the individuals who are, or are becoming food-aware *for whatever reasons* should consider ourselves ambassadors in the education of the poplulace (our friends, families, the greater public if we are in a position to do so via our vocations or avocations) in all things food-related. The food revolution is underway, and by sharing our experiences with others, we can help effect change in the SAD and how people understand and use food, the effects it can have on our health, individually and in the general population.


Well put Nance!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think that we, the individuals who are, or are becoming food-aware *for whatever reasons* should consider ourselves ambassadors in the education of the poplulace (our friends, families, the greater public if we are in a position to do so via our vocations or avocations) in all things food-related. The food revolution is underway, and by sharing our experiences with others, we can help effect change in the SAD and how people understand and use food, the effects it can have on our health, individually and in the general population.


Thank you! Very good!
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