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samessier Guest
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: gluten |
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mydoctor is trying to rule out CD. I just went for a small intestine biopsy and the results will not be in for another three days.
I have all the symptoms for CD, plus I am at high risk for Colon cancer. I am concerned that I may be eating the wrong foods and I do not know where to search for additional information on diets, etc.
I am overweight, all my life, so I do not think this has been around forever, but it just recently surfaced.
I hope someone can offer some insight |
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WheatFreePDX
Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 91 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hi there! Did your doc screen you with the Celiac panel blood test 1st? What were the results? Many adults diagnosed with Celiac are overweight...
Now that I'm gluten free I'm hoping to lose 20 pounds! _________________ Diagnosed with celiac disease (bloodwork & biopsy). GF (again in my adult life) since March 2005. |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 12530 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Sam,
I agree with WFPDX Weight is not always a good symptom to diagnose celiac. I have a friend that is probably considered overweight - he was recently diagnosed.
It is strange that the doc would go right to the biopsy. Usually they do a Celiac Panel. If that is positive, then they'll head for the intestines.
Even if your tests come back negative - please keep in mind that you may be Gluten Sensitive as opposed to Celiac. Currently most of the medical community does not recognize GS. They will only recognize and diagnose CD. CD is part of the whole Gluten Sensitivity spectrum. CD happens to be End Stage for GS. If you notice you feel better on a GF diet - you might consider listening to your body and remain that way - regardless of what the docs say. People go on diets for all sorts of reasons...why not go on one that makes you feel like living??
If you search around here, I think you'll find enough info to get you on the right path. Look in the Proper Foods Forum. There's lots there!!
Good luck in your quest for health and knowledge! _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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tj from spokane Guest
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Say Al:
You are quite knowledgable about the CD/GI subject matter. I remember reading that you are Gluten Intolerant. I had a Celiac Blood test. It came back negative, But my Food allergy test came back maxed out on Wheat, gluten, & gliaten & almost max'd on soy & a little on eggs. I have been lactose intolerant also. I year ago I had a routine colonoscopy & endo, the colonoscopy came back fine, but the endo came back with barrets esophoagus. I have had some problems with gerd but did not know it was as bad as that. The doc of course gave me a two page flyer about gerd & sent me home with a priscription for some PPI's "nexium etc. I was a allergic to all of them, so I took xantac for 2 months. I was not satisfied with what the doc said, I wanted to know why I had barrets esophagus, when my gerd wasn't that bad. I then went to a integrative MD who gave me the usual blood test & test for candida. Every thing is fine with that, although I was Hyperthyroid for a short period of time and it seemed to resolve it self. I was negative for candida, although my RD Registered Dietician did put me on a candida cleanse and I did not have any die off with it. So I don't know if I have candida or not, or if I should try another candida product. The gerd seems to be better. I have been GF for only about 6 months & still working on it. I did challenge wheat & gluten about a month ago, with some bread. It took about 3 to 4 days and I had Gerd again for 3 weeks. Then it seemed to level off. I have been on probiotics & digestive enzymes for about 5 months. Also been using aloe vera juice to sooth the tummy. Well, anyway all I am a little frustrated here lately the gerd seems to come & go. I was looking for some advice from you. Does it take awhile to get stabalized? Or do you think I developed some other food intolerance. I use alot of brown rice & corn products. I figured If I was off the gluten etc. The acid reflux stuff should be gone by now. I also take prevails, acid ease for the reflux, i really don't want to get into the heavy duty stuff again like xantac etc. lo ng term use of these products is bad for the body I belive. I will be going back this year for a endo, I thought I would have them check the villi & biopsy. Do you have any advice for me. Thanks alot Al |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 12530 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| tj from spokane wrote: | | I had a Celiac Blood test. It came back negative, But my Food allergy test came back maxed out on Wheat, gluten, & gliaten & almost max'd on soy & a little on eggs. |
Hi TJ,
It is possible you have a true allergy to wheat and other foods. Do you know what Celiac blood tests where run? Sometimes docs will only run 1 or 2 tests and they won't give a true picture. Here's the full Celiac panel:
A complete Celiac Blood Panel:
antigliadin IgA and IgG (May indicate Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity)
anti-tTG and/or anti-endomysial (Looks for villi damage)
total serum IgA (rules out IgA deficiency)
anti-reticulin IgA (Rarely used but, a very thorough doctor will include this)
More on Diagnostic Testing
It's always a good idea to get copies of your lab tests. I have a drawer in my desk that is nothing but medical papers.
Did an Allergist do your food tests? I am curious as to where the "gliaten" test fits. Could this be the antiglaidin IgA and IgG test from above?
| Quote: | | I have had some problems with gerd but did not know it was as bad as that. The doc of course gave me a two page flyer about gerd & sent me home with a priscription for some PPI's "nexium etc. I was a allergic to all of them, so I took xantac for 2 months. |
See below for some Barrett's and CD study. I was in the same boat a few years ago. I messed around with reflux (and abdominal pain) for over a year. Trying 3-4 different meds...Prevacid, Nexium, Zantac, Aciphex, then back to Zantac. The docs told me it was chronic reflux - just take my meds like a good little boy and deal with it!! (hehehe those are my words of course). I didn't accept their answers (just like you ) and found this stuff called gluten . Aciphex worked the best to calm my stomach down if it was really "in a fizz". I'd take that for a few days - then I'd be able to go back on just the Zantac. I was also taking Omega 3/6/9 fish oil capsules too. I felt this helped a lot. Fish oil is an anti-inflammatory. I still take them on and off now. Lately I've been off of them because I ran out and haven't gotten any more of them
| Quote: | | The gerd seems to be better. I have been GF for only about 6 months & still working on it. I did challenge wheat & gluten about a month ago, with some bread. It took about 3 to 4 days and I had Gerd again for 3 weeks. Then it seemed to level off. I have been on probiotics & digestive enzymes for about 5 months. Also been using aloe vera juice to sooth the tummy. |
Yup - when I did my gluten challenge, I lasted about 5 days before the reflux started coming back and I was feeling cr@ppy. If I remember correctly I weaned myself off of the reflux meds. Sometimes what will happen if you stop them suddenly you can suffer from re-bound reflux. I started skiping every other or every 3rd day for a bit and slowly worked my way down to none. I found that I really needed to watch my acid (tomatoes, OJ,etc) & chocolate consumption while my stomach was recovering. Small amounts would set off heartburn. After awhile (serveral months...maybe 3-4) I found that I could handle red sauces and limited amounts of chocolate (a few mini candy bars at one sitting) without problems. I used to take over the counter Zantac before I had red sauce as a preventative measure...now I find I don't need that. We usually put Johnsonville Mild Italian Sausages (which have a little bite to them) in our red sauce - no problems at all!
| Quote: | | Well, anyway all I am a little frustrated here lately the gerd seems to come & go. I was looking for some advice from you. Does it take awhile to get stabalized? |
Hang in there. I'd give it some more time. You could try taking the meds to get your stomach settled down and then try tapering off of the meds. I found that if I did not let my stomach get out of control - it was easier to calm it down.
| Quote: | | Or do you think I developed some other food intolerance. I use alot of brown rice & corn products. |
It is possible for your body to become sensitized to other foods if you consume them enough. Some people will rotate foods so that doesn't happen.
| Quote: | | I also take prevails, acid ease for the reflux, i really don't want to get into the heavy duty stuff again like xantac etc. lo ng term use of these products is bad for the body I belive. I will be going back this year for a endo, I thought I would have them check the villi & biopsy. Do you have any advice for me. Thanks alot Al |
Zantac is really is pretty tame compared to Prevacid, Nexium, Aciphex. Like you said those are PPI's and are the heavy hitters. Zantac is an H2 blocker - an antihistamine. I also feel that staying on them long term is not good. I did a fair amount of research on them when I first started on them. I was conviced my neuropathy was from them. As I look back - I had those problems long before. BUT - it is possible for them to cause neuropathy.
I did the same thing when they did my scope. I requested they do the biopsy for CD. The were only going to do the EGD, but I told the doc..."As long as you have me out - you might as well have your way with me and go up too". Good thing they did - he did find a polyp and removed it!
Good Gosh this long!! Sorry about that. I hope this helps!! Keep us updated!!
Hey - how did the Mocha Mix thing go? Did ya eat the whole carton? hehehe Did you find out the GF status?
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I found a recent study (Jan '05) discussing CD and Barrett's.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15712649
Celiac disease and intestinal metaplasia of the esophagus (Barrett's esophagus).
Dig Dis Sci. 2005 Jan;50(1):126-9. Related Articles, Links
Maieron R, Elli L, Marino M, Floriani I, Minerva F, Avellini C, Falconieri G, Pizzolitto S, Zilli M.
Gastroenterology Unit, General Hospital S. M. della Misericordia, Udine, Italy. robertomaieron@tin.it
Previous studies on celiac patients demonstrated that exposure to gliadin alters the motility of the upper gastrointestinal tract, leading to increased acid reflux. No literature is available regarding the possible presence of specialized intestinal metaplasia of the esophagus as a consequence of chronic reflux in adult celiac patients. Our purpose was to evaluate endoscopically and histologically the esophagi of a group of untreated celiac patients. We studied 60 celiac patients, 13 men and 47 women (mean age, 40 +/- 14 [SD] years; range, 18-80 years), at their first endoscopy (following a normal diet). The distal esophagus was evaluated and multiple biopsies were taken. Hematoxylin-eosin and alcian blue stainings were performed. A group of nonceliac, age- and sex-matched patients was used as a control. We found intestinal metaplasia in the distal esophagus of 16 of 60 (26.6%) celiacs (mean age, 45 +/- 13 years; range, 27-75 years), in comparison with a control-group prevalence of 10.9% (OR, 3.9; 95% CI, 1.4-11.2%). Among the celiac group with metaplasia, only one patient had reflux-like symptoms. None had esophagitis. In conclusion, we observed an increased prevalence of esophageal metaplasia in patients with celiac disease. This finding could be the result of motor abnormalities leading to chronic acid reflux, combined with a mucosa which is sensitive to gliadin.
PMID: 15712649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa
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tj Guest
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject: Food Allergy test |
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Al:
I just have a copy of the food allergy test. It is labeled as IgG & IgE or a delayed onset hypersensitivity reaction or an Immediated onset reaction. The IgG or delayed reaction was to a High level (Max'd Out) for Wheat, gliaden & Wheat Glutet, spelt, rye & for Whole wheat. The IgE or immediate reaction was low on all of them. I also had a high IgG for Soy, EggWhite & Yolk & Kidney Beans. (Oh, great just had some soup with Kidney beans in it, I forgot, Oh, well see what happens) I had a high IgG to Banana's also. I find that if I rotate Eggs & don't eat them too much. I seem to be OK. The doc did a blood test specifically for celiac Disease. I can't seem to find the paper work on that. I will go to the Doc & see If I can get a copy. That excerpt about Barret's & CD was interesting fits right into where I was at. I did'nt present with major symptons but did have barrett's. Luckily, the barrett's was at real low level. So they caught it in time. Like you & the Colonoscopy, & the polyp . We were able to catch things before they got out of hand. Our conditions really mirror each other it seems. I see on your profile you play guitar.. I play geetar....does anybody know the difference between a geetar....& guitar..... Hmmmm....Hmmmm....Welll...$300.00. I play the geetar. thanks for the info on all that, very useful. Oh, by the way I could not take any of the PPI's ex. aciphex, nexium...I was allergic to them. I guess I will go Out and buy some of the OC Xantax 150 mg stuff. for those special occasions...right! again thanks TJ |
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jake from mass Guest
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: Allergies? |
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Hey tj
I also had the IgG testing done since I have this rash on my arms and legs. The allergy test showed very high reaction to gluten, wheat, rye, malt, and barley. A few other things too were moderate & low reactions (dairy). I got the allergist to do the celiac panel and am waiting for results. Still waiting for the results....
i figure at least I am somewhat sensitive to gluten... if it is only delayed allergy it may clear up if i avoid it for a while... but howlong?
I have no intestinal symptoms. Just the funny (ITCHY rash), dental enamel issues, some emotional stuff (mood swings,irritability).
Let me know what happens with you.
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 12530 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Food Allergy test |
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| tj wrote: | Al:
I just have a copy of the food allergy test. It is labeled as IgG & IgE or a delayed onset hypersensitivity reaction or an Immediated onset reaction. The IgG or delayed reaction was to a High level (Max'd Out) for Wheat, gliaden & Wheat Glutet, spelt, rye & for Whole wheat. The IgE or immediate reaction was low on all of them. I also had a high IgG for Soy, EggWhite & Yolk & Kidney Beans. (Oh, great just had some soup with Kidney beans in it, I forgot, Oh, well see what happens) I had a high IgG to Banana's also. |
Looks more like a food intolerance than an allergy. IgE responses are immediate - like a peanut or bee sting allergy - it can be serious (life threatening). Either way - I think it's best to stay away from it.
| Quote: | | I see on your profile you play guitar.. I play geetar....does anybody know the difference between a geetar....& guitar..... Hmmmm....Hmmmm....Welll...$300.00. I play the geetar. |
Hehehe Eventhough you play the geetar, I suspect you have more musical knowledge and know-how (Piano, Accordian, Kindermusik) than I (I'm still trying to learn the mandolin ). Our Choir Director at church teaches Kindermusik too. We also do a geetar service for church.
Take a look around - you probably can get the 75mg of Zantac. There are "generic" Zantacs (ranitidine) - but I do not know the GF status of those. Sam's Club has some. _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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maria1223 Guest
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: food allergy test |
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| I just had a food allergy test done 3 days ago . It came up clean for everything. I don't see how that is possiable when all my blood test, endo & colon osc. where postive for cd. I also have have to drink soy milk. have really bad gerd the GI Dr. put me on zantac 3 times a day. That did not work. he put me on prilosec 2 times a day. It really doesn't work. It got so bad that I changed GI Dr. & cancer Dr's I think that my old ones just wanted the money & not treat me right ( DX ). These Dr's should go back to school & learn more About CD. I can't eat alot of red sauces. Or sodas. U have to be very careful what these Dr's give u ur body will let u know what is right for u & what isn't |
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celiac_jackie Guest
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: food allergy test |
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[quote="maria1223"]I just had a food allergy test done 3 days ago . It came up clean for everything. I don't see how that is possiable when all my blood test, endo & colon osc. where postive for cd [quote= "maria1223"]
That's because Celiac is not an allergy. Why would it show you're allergic when you're not? You have a disease, not an allergy.
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